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	<title>Comments on: Tina Meier&#8217;s Grief, But Also What I Am Not Hearing</title>
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		<title>By: True to see</title>
		<link>http://blogwarts.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/tina-meiers-grief-but-also-what-i-am-not-hearing/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>True to see</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel, these people are being ridiculous. while Lori drew is responsible for what she&#039;s done, there&#039;s no way that she&#039;s responsible for Megan&#039;s death. I like to see the actual emails that &quot;Josh&quot; actually sent in order to see how this directly pushed her to suicide exactly.

Tina Meier and her ex-spouse ARE guilty too. We DON&#039;T know what kind of family relationship was at Megan&#039;s home nor what type of parent Tina was to Megan because we DON&#039;T have Megan&#039;s input. All we have is only Tina&#039;s view and that&#039;s up to debate if that&#039;s the truth. Kids aren&#039;t stupid and if there are problems at home, that&#039;ll affect any kid to be depressed nor do we know about Megan&#039;s school life and peers DO affect kids a lot at that age.

The fact that&#039;s missing from the whole scenario is very suspect and while all these so-called &quot;children&#039;s advocates&quot; here state that a parent can&#039;t watch a kid properly (sounds like they are scary kids advocates at that!), a parent CAN be aware of exactly what&#039;s going on in their kid&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, these people are being ridiculous. while Lori drew is responsible for what she&#8217;s done, there&#8217;s no way that she&#8217;s responsible for Megan&#8217;s death. I like to see the actual emails that &#8220;Josh&#8221; actually sent in order to see how this directly pushed her to suicide exactly.</p>
<p>Tina Meier and her ex-spouse ARE guilty too. We DON&#8217;T know what kind of family relationship was at Megan&#8217;s home nor what type of parent Tina was to Megan because we DON&#8217;T have Megan&#8217;s input. All we have is only Tina&#8217;s view and that&#8217;s up to debate if that&#8217;s the truth. Kids aren&#8217;t stupid and if there are problems at home, that&#8217;ll affect any kid to be depressed nor do we know about Megan&#8217;s school life and peers DO affect kids a lot at that age.</p>
<p>The fact that&#8217;s missing from the whole scenario is very suspect and while all these so-called &#8220;children&#8217;s advocates&#8221; here state that a parent can&#8217;t watch a kid properly (sounds like they are scary kids advocates at that!), a parent CAN be aware of exactly what&#8217;s going on in their kid&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Irreproachable parenting &#171; Ásgarðr - a writer&#8217;s bliss</title>
		<link>http://blogwarts.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/tina-meiers-grief-but-also-what-i-am-not-hearing/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Irreproachable parenting &#171; Ásgarðr - a writer&#8217;s bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was too easy to find, but no-one seems to be able to see it. There are those who seem to question the parents, but notice that they place a point on the map where the victim [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://blogwarts.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/tina-meiers-grief-but-also-what-i-am-not-hearing/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! You are a sick person. I think maybe you are a fake of some sort, but I am leaving this comment because of people in the world that have to take things to a level that is disgusting, abusive, and immoral. These is similar to some of the emails I have received. No analysis of the situation... Just trying to attack me because I presented an idea. 

I believe you are wanting torture of the lady who was an impostor and pretended to be a young man on myspace. 

Do not put words into my mouth. I have never said anything against what the authorities are doing with this sick and twisted person. She is not innocent in this situation one lick bit, but I tried to do with my blogs is show there were also other negligent parties. The authorities are dealing with this other lady. No one questioned the parents of their actions or lack there of. That was my comment on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! You are a sick person. I think maybe you are a fake of some sort, but I am leaving this comment because of people in the world that have to take things to a level that is disgusting, abusive, and immoral. These is similar to some of the emails I have received. No analysis of the situation&#8230; Just trying to attack me because I presented an idea. </p>
<p>I believe you are wanting torture of the lady who was an impostor and pretended to be a young man on myspace. </p>
<p>Do not put words into my mouth. I have never said anything against what the authorities are doing with this sick and twisted person. She is not innocent in this situation one lick bit, but I tried to do with my blogs is show there were also other negligent parties. The authorities are dealing with this other lady. No one questioned the parents of their actions or lack there of. That was my comment on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Magical Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magical Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I 100% agree with Jace Galloway--the first commentator. Just because &#039;Mel&#039; has issues with reality and is calling Megan &#039;mentally deranged&#039; and possibly has the hots for Lori Drew...omg, maybe it IS her. 

I am out of here. Evil Pest!

You should be ashamed and I hope and pray, I beg the universe to get this old ugly witch locked up for 20 FULL YEARS, and give her 10 years extra, because this sadistic monster went to Megan&#039;s funeral and possibly got off on it.

I hope she will be sentenced and I do hope that she hates lesbians. Because she most likely will be raped by a beer bottle--and I do hope that it is a cheap brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I 100% agree with Jace Galloway&#8211;the first commentator. Just because &#8216;Mel&#8217; has issues with reality and is calling Megan &#8216;mentally deranged&#8217; and possibly has the hots for Lori Drew&#8230;omg, maybe it IS her. </p>
<p>I am out of here. Evil Pest!</p>
<p>You should be ashamed and I hope and pray, I beg the universe to get this old ugly witch locked up for 20 FULL YEARS, and give her 10 years extra, because this sadistic monster went to Megan&#8217;s funeral and possibly got off on it.</p>
<p>I hope she will be sentenced and I do hope that she hates lesbians. Because she most likely will be raped by a beer bottle&#8211;and I do hope that it is a cheap brand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmm. My parents did a pretty good job of watching me 24/7 (or having very trusted adults). Granted I had a very different childhood because I was a competitive figure skater, but in high school I did band trips, ROTC trips out of state, and other school activities. They taught me to be moral, ethical, and a productive citizen. I have a master&#039;s degree, an educator, and a reverend. I do not think I am warped.

Funny you mention my log. Elephants and Bats are my favorite animals. Purple and Green are my favorite colors. The elephant is a curling broom. Maybe you could tell me what is wrong with my logo and tattoo? I am confused? I designed it. 

Or are you just being bigoted because I disagree with your parenting styles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm. My parents did a pretty good job of watching me 24/7 (or having very trusted adults). Granted I had a very different childhood because I was a competitive figure skater, but in high school I did band trips, ROTC trips out of state, and other school activities. They taught me to be moral, ethical, and a productive citizen. I have a master&#8217;s degree, an educator, and a reverend. I do not think I am warped.</p>
<p>Funny you mention my log. Elephants and Bats are my favorite animals. Purple and Green are my favorite colors. The elephant is a curling broom. Maybe you could tell me what is wrong with my logo and tattoo? I am confused? I designed it. </p>
<p>Or are you just being bigoted because I disagree with your parenting styles?</p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am amazed and very concerned at the insensitive and ridiculous remarks made by blogger Mel.  To imply that a parent should watch a child 24/7 is beyond stupid.  It simply cannot be done.  Children need to learn and grow both physically and independantly.  This means parents guide, support, and love their children, however, they should not hover over them.  We want children to become self-sufficient adults eventually.  If we are to watch their every move from birth through adolescence they would be warped children.  Typically, I am not mean spirited, but I must say that the logo posted identifying Mel says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am amazed and very concerned at the insensitive and ridiculous remarks made by blogger Mel.  To imply that a parent should watch a child 24/7 is beyond stupid.  It simply cannot be done.  Children need to learn and grow both physically and independantly.  This means parents guide, support, and love their children, however, they should not hover over them.  We want children to become self-sufficient adults eventually.  If we are to watch their every move from birth through adolescence they would be warped children.  Typically, I am not mean spirited, but I must say that the logo posted identifying Mel says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tully</title>
		<link>http://blogwarts.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/tina-meiers-grief-but-also-what-i-am-not-hearing/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to weigh in and agree with my friend and colleague, Jace.  I have also conducted cyberbullying training for hundreds of kids (and a number of adult educators as well) and, while it might comfort adults to feel that they can simply tell kids not to go online, or to circumscribe where they go, the fact is that the kids will still go there.  It&#039;s better to have some supervision than none, and none is what you will get if you try to cut them off.

Nancy Willard of the Center for Safe and Responsible Internet Use recently told me of a presentation she made a few months ago.  She was on the agenda immediately after an Internet safety expert whose presentation included showing certain websites to his audience of adult educators.  Unfortunately, he had to access the Internet through the school&#039;s connection and the sites were blocked.  The adults didn&#039;t know what to do, so he asked for student help.  A high school sophomore unblocked all of the sites in a matter of seconds.

When I was conducting training in a rural California town recently, I passed out a great document, a &quot;Parent-Child Internet Use Agreement&quot; designed by Dr. Sameer Hinduja of Florida Atlantic University.  (You can download it for free at http://uacoe.arizona.edu/wren/cyberbullying_internet_use_contract.pdf.)  The kids I passed it to you -- middle school students -- threw them away.  They had no intention of discussing their online activity with their parents.  All the kids are online and I&#039;m sure their parents have no clue about the extent of the online activity.  This is pretty common.

So, lay off Tina Meier, and let her teach from her own sad experience.  All of us who are parents make mistakes from time to time and we know that a single mistake can have tragic consequences.  That&#039;s part of the price of parenthood.  Tina Meier and John Halligan paid the highest and most awful price, and they were very good parents.  They have suffered enough and there&#039;s no need to inflame their suffering with unfounded, unkind, baseless and ignorant comments from an unqualified source.

Mike Tully
Tucson AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to weigh in and agree with my friend and colleague, Jace.  I have also conducted cyberbullying training for hundreds of kids (and a number of adult educators as well) and, while it might comfort adults to feel that they can simply tell kids not to go online, or to circumscribe where they go, the fact is that the kids will still go there.  It&#8217;s better to have some supervision than none, and none is what you will get if you try to cut them off.</p>
<p>Nancy Willard of the Center for Safe and Responsible Internet Use recently told me of a presentation she made a few months ago.  She was on the agenda immediately after an Internet safety expert whose presentation included showing certain websites to his audience of adult educators.  Unfortunately, he had to access the Internet through the school&#8217;s connection and the sites were blocked.  The adults didn&#8217;t know what to do, so he asked for student help.  A high school sophomore unblocked all of the sites in a matter of seconds.</p>
<p>When I was conducting training in a rural California town recently, I passed out a great document, a &#8220;Parent-Child Internet Use Agreement&#8221; designed by Dr. Sameer Hinduja of Florida Atlantic University.  (You can download it for free at <a href="http://uacoe.arizona.edu/wren/cyberbullying_internet_use_contract.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://uacoe.arizona.edu/wren/cyberbullying_internet_use_contract.pdf</a>.)  The kids I passed it to you &#8212; middle school students &#8212; threw them away.  They had no intention of discussing their online activity with their parents.  All the kids are online and I&#8217;m sure their parents have no clue about the extent of the online activity.  This is pretty common.</p>
<p>So, lay off Tina Meier, and let her teach from her own sad experience.  All of us who are parents make mistakes from time to time and we know that a single mistake can have tragic consequences.  That&#8217;s part of the price of parenthood.  Tina Meier and John Halligan paid the highest and most awful price, and they were very good parents.  They have suffered enough and there&#8217;s no need to inflame their suffering with unfounded, unkind, baseless and ignorant comments from an unqualified source.</p>
<p>Mike Tully<br />
Tucson AZ</p>
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		<title>By: Jace Galloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jace Galloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel,

As I work with over 500 children per week in a computer lab environment and have two children, I have a very unique perspective most people do not have. 
  

Computer savvy children are able to circumvent many parental controls we use.  I have personally witnessed this many times in home settings and at school. I can not tell you how many times I have seen children purposely bypass filters and other controls with me standing right there, knowing full well they were not supposed to do so.  Excellent teachers and good parents can not possibly oversee children every single second of every day. 

For almost four years, I have educated almost 1000 children on Internet safety.  I have educated law enforcement officials.  I have educated hundreds of teachers and parents.  In order for online safety education to work, children, parents, teachers and law enforcement officials must work together.  Online safety is not just the responsibility of parents, it is all our responsibility. 

The Meiers did monitor Megan&#039;s computer use.  They had open and honest discussions with her.   The computer was in an open area of their home and they had rules.  

This case is about a grown woman who intentionally and purposely bullied a minor. This case is not about pointing fingers at devastated parents who have lost a child through a senseless tragedy.  


Today, Tina travels around the country educating people of all ages to prevent this very thing from happening to another family. 

These types of comments are not only baseless, they are untrue and hurtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel,</p>
<p>As I work with over 500 children per week in a computer lab environment and have two children, I have a very unique perspective most people do not have. </p>
<p>Computer savvy children are able to circumvent many parental controls we use.  I have personally witnessed this many times in home settings and at school. I can not tell you how many times I have seen children purposely bypass filters and other controls with me standing right there, knowing full well they were not supposed to do so.  Excellent teachers and good parents can not possibly oversee children every single second of every day. </p>
<p>For almost four years, I have educated almost 1000 children on Internet safety.  I have educated law enforcement officials.  I have educated hundreds of teachers and parents.  In order for online safety education to work, children, parents, teachers and law enforcement officials must work together.  Online safety is not just the responsibility of parents, it is all our responsibility. </p>
<p>The Meiers did monitor Megan&#8217;s computer use.  They had open and honest discussions with her.   The computer was in an open area of their home and they had rules.  </p>
<p>This case is about a grown woman who intentionally and purposely bullied a minor. This case is not about pointing fingers at devastated parents who have lost a child through a senseless tragedy.  </p>
<p>Today, Tina travels around the country educating people of all ages to prevent this very thing from happening to another family. </p>
<p>These types of comments are not only baseless, they are untrue and hurtful.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try Mel.  Give me a break!  Parents cannot watch children every moment of everyday.  Think back to your childhood.  How many things did you do that your parents were unaware of?  Parents do work you know, both in and outside of the home.  Did your mother watch you as she was taking a bath, doing laundry, mowing the grass, cooking your breakfast?  Please.  Obviously you have no children.  Thank goodness there are people out there such as Jace and Tina who care enough to get the word out.  Who do you think watches the television interviews anyway about Internet Safety?  It is the parents of course.  Childhood Internet safety is the theme, but do you really believe that parents are not included in that?  Of course they are.  You have some grandiose ideas and thoughts.  Hopefully this has helped you to see the light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try Mel.  Give me a break!  Parents cannot watch children every moment of everyday.  Think back to your childhood.  How many things did you do that your parents were unaware of?  Parents do work you know, both in and outside of the home.  Did your mother watch you as she was taking a bath, doing laundry, mowing the grass, cooking your breakfast?  Please.  Obviously you have no children.  Thank goodness there are people out there such as Jace and Tina who care enough to get the word out.  Who do you think watches the television interviews anyway about Internet Safety?  It is the parents of course.  Childhood Internet safety is the theme, but do you really believe that parents are not included in that?  Of course they are.  You have some grandiose ideas and thoughts.  Hopefully this has helped you to see the light.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again... 

I am still confused. 

1). If she was &quot;Mostly&quot; supervised. Her parents allowed her onto online sites she was not old enough to be on. If this was a porn site, no one would be second guessing. If her actions were monitored, they would have seen the comments. Just because it was in the common space, does not mean they are actively monitoring


2). I am not saying it is sad. But you again talk about educating children. My point needs to be EDUCATING ADULTS. If adults know how to use a computer (which almost none do not ~really) then we cut off most of this stuff. Educate children, but you &quot;activists&quot; need to educate parents.

3). I have heard the you can not watch every moment of every day comment about offspring. If you are not willing as &quot;parents&quot; commit to watching children almost every moment of every day, why are you having children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again&#8230; </p>
<p>I am still confused. </p>
<p>1). If she was &#8220;Mostly&#8221; supervised. Her parents allowed her onto online sites she was not old enough to be on. If this was a porn site, no one would be second guessing. If her actions were monitored, they would have seen the comments. Just because it was in the common space, does not mean they are actively monitoring</p>
<p>2). I am not saying it is sad. But you again talk about educating children. My point needs to be EDUCATING ADULTS. If adults know how to use a computer (which almost none do not ~really) then we cut off most of this stuff. Educate children, but you &#8220;activists&#8221; need to educate parents.</p>
<p>3). I have heard the you can not watch every moment of every day comment about offspring. If you are not willing as &#8220;parents&#8221; commit to watching children almost every moment of every day, why are you having children?</p>
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